Lazy Model Design

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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby anguloke » 14 September 2016, 03:17

Imperator5 wrote:Those are not titans, just kitbashes made by fans. They are not official nor canon.

My sources on the Admech are from the FFG techpriest parts from Dark Heresy and other RPGs, and the Black Library novels about the Mechanicus like Mechanicum, Titanicus, Skitarii and the Priest/Lords/Gods of Mars trilogy, basically every novel made in the few last years.

Do you want to question my sources' authenticity after posting fan kits, or are we done here?


You do realize those are both Forge World productions which are considered official.

Two you cherry pick and ignore the quotes cited from rule books on lexicanum.

Provide the quote then if you have them.

Love how you get snide and insulting when ever someone disagrees with you, especially if they support their case and you don't.
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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby Ahzek Ahriman » 14 September 2016, 03:26

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...dude you serious?

You just googled "tau titans" and picked a few options from the top, you didn't even bother to check what the Tau uber units actually are, let alone knowing what you're talking about. Do "Riptide" or "R'Varna" ring the bell? Yeah, as I thought.

I did what you did
quick google "tau titans"
http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewt ... 22&t=11021

Where do you see the Forge World? If you can read, just do it, first post in the thread is enough. That model was created from scratch by the OP.

Second pick, only one on the page, source some stupid keyword search page.

Go ahead, point us to the Forge World source with those models.

What's next, Forge World Imperator class titan? Or perhaps FW chaos Warlord?
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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby anguloke » 14 September 2016, 03:44

These absolutely are forge world and again support the scale up of technology he disputes.

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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby LittleBlueMan » 14 September 2016, 07:32

anguloke wrote:
LittleBlueMan wrote: The devs have taken the weapon from a tank, a weapon that is about 10 feet long, right, and put it on a ship that is over a kilometer long. It's not aesthetically similar, it's IDENTICAL. Lances work like lascannons, so let's just put a predator sponson on a ship. Right? No, there would be outcry.


It is lore supported. It literally say it is up scaled ground weapons. Two, the comparison of Tau to Imperial tech doesn't make sense either. Tau tech is supposed to be more efficient. Where they can just upscale unlike Imperials, who barely know the science behind their technology anymore.


NO IT IS NOT. Look at the Demiurg. Tau got the Ion Cannons from the Demiurg. Did you know that? So why do Demiurg ships have the Tau Hammerhead Ion Cannon bits on their ships. Did they take technology that they SOLD TO THE TAU, buy it back in tank form, and upscale it for their ships? That's ABSURD.

Please look at the forgeworld models you showed me. They have a DIFFERENT piece. They're Ion Cannons, yes, but they are not the Ion Cannon turret from a Hammerhead. Please read my posts more thoroughly.

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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby Imperator5 » 14 September 2016, 15:40

anguloke wrote:These absolutely are forge world and again support the scale up of technology he disputes.

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You did not link those, did you? Ooooooooh right you linked fan made kits! I bet you can not tell the difference. I do not take kindly to liars, and I did not say anything about your Lexicanum quotes, which you consider official.
Do you want me to quote the whole admech books? Or should I just link the titles here?
http://forum.battlefleetgothic-armada.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=621

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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby wowu5 » 14 September 2016, 17:24

TBH the weapons on the KX-139 does not looks like mere size enlargement of smaller weapons at all.

The three barrels gun on its hand is essentially ion cannon, but it clearly does not resemble that one found on the Hammerhead.

The Pulse Ordnace Multi-Driver on its back is supposed to be a more powerful Pulse Submunition Cannon on the XV-107 (http://hobbyworld.com.ua/published/publicdata/HOBBYWOR/attachments/SC/products_pictures/ravanap4_enl.jpg)
but even then the two still feel different enough.
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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby anguloke » 15 September 2016, 08:42

Imperator5 wrote:
You did not link those, did you? Ooooooooh right you linked fan made kits!


Never said they were the same. No lie, simple mistake.

and I did not say anything about your Lexicanum quotes, which you consider official.


Yeah you completely duck them. You do know how the Lexicanum works... where they have citation at the bottom. #facepalm
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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby anguloke » 15 September 2016, 08:44

LittleBlueMan wrote:
NO IT IS NOT. Look at the Demiurg. Tau got the Ion Cannons from the Demiurg. Did you know that? So why do Demiurg ships have the Tau Hammerhead Ion Cannon bits on their ships. Did they take technology that they SOLD TO THE TAU, buy it back in tank form, and upscale it for their ships? That's ABSURD.


For Demiurge, not the general Tau ships and up scaling. That is a completely different issue, which I can understand not wanting to waste resources on that.

And if the Tau improved on those weapons, why wouldn't they since are part of the Tau Empire.
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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby Imperator5 » 15 September 2016, 09:03

anguloke wrote:
Imperator5 wrote:
You did not link those, did you? Ooooooooh right you linked fan made kits!


Never said they were the same. No lie, simple mistake.

and I did not say anything about your Lexicanum quotes, which you consider official.


Yeah you completely duck them. You do know how the Lexicanum works... where they have citation at the bottom. #facepalm


A: You blathered on about the Tau vehicles when they had nothing to do with what I said. Did I ever claim tau tanks were the most primitive ever? No?
B: You don't get to make mistakes and than accuse me of being inaccurate. I am one of the most well read 40k experts ever.
C: Lexicanum is not reliable. They very rarely update their stuff and are usually out of date. The Warhammer40k wiki is up to date, however they sometimes include fanon stuff. Neither is 100% reliable nor official.
D: You want me to cite entire books? Well don't be a lazy bum read them yourself.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-product ... dback.html
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-product ... ebook.html
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-product ... ebook.html
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-product ... d-mp3.html
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-product ... ebook.html
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-product ... ebook.html
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-product ... ebook.html
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-product ... ebook.html
This has a lot of very boring bits about PDF but you can skip those.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-product ... ebook.html
http://forum.battlefleetgothic-armada.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=621

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Re: Lazy Model Design

Postby Sablus Ironika » 15 September 2016, 10:44

Hello fellow citizens of the greater good,

I am Sablus Ironika, Tech Priest Majoris of the mighty Imperium and specialist of the Tau technologies
I am also Art Director on the project. That being said, I went through the posts and read all the comments, I will try to make constructive comments.

First of all, I would like to say that you are right on a point, regarding the Ion cannon. It is exactly the same design. The reason is that it was the safer zone for us regarding the validation process with GW, I know this is no excuse and that we should have change it enough to make it feel bigger or different enough as we did for other factions, like the lance turrets for the Imperium.
I will do everything I can to change this mistake in the time left.
But we will keep the turret system like on the hammer head, because we tried other designs and we were not happy with the result regarding the general aesthetic on the ships.
So, will rework the design, but it is very important for us to make those weapons easily identifiable for all players, so it will not be an exact copy/paste as it is, but we will keep the general weapon's design.
Regarding the Railgun, it is pretty much the same problem, but the barrels will remain the same, even if it is just an upscale. We will make changes to make them feel bigger.

_For the drones, it's another problem, at first, they were supposed to be regular drones, so yes it is the same design, because it is the same drones, targeting/repairing drones. Here it's a problem that you can already see with ordonnances, they are not at the right scale, because if we do, you will not see them anymore, and that's why we broke the scale for ordonnances and drones. I understand why you say that it is chocking regarding the resolution on them, we are working on this point too, but as Alpharius said, we also have IP issues on this as for the weapons.

I want to thank you all for your concerns, criticisms, and feedbacks, they are very useful.
It's good to have fresh looks over our work, because sometime you have your nose in the wheel and you need someone else to point out some obvious problems.

Have a nice day


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