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[Kadaeux]

That being said, rule wise in 40k I say Ravenwing are the better bikers. Although I may be biased...

Nah, not biased at all. Ruleswise they definitely are since the White Scars are (unless I missed something) stuck with effectively the Ultramarines rules with only a special character to their name :p

[Azrael]

That being said, rule wise in 40k I say Ravenwing are the better bikers. Although I may be biased...

Nah, not biased at all. Ruleswise they definitely are since the White Scars are (unless I missed something) stuck with effectively the Ultramarines rules with only a special character to their name :p

White Scar rules are pretty damn good, actually.

Autopass dangerous terrain
+1 to jink save (so 3+ cover save)
+1 to Hammer of Wrath attacks (So St5 In10 automatic hit)
Hit and Run

But Ravenwing still have an edge.

Dedicated formations that boost the shooting abilities of the attack squadrons
Support squadrons getting to overwatch if a Ravenwing unit is charged
Scout
Hit and Run
Reroll cover saves from jink

[Cryhavok]

White Scars are a one trick pony. They are very good at that one trick, but I think the Ravenwing is better just because of everything it can do.

Ravenwing truly shines when it is in a combined force with the Deathwing. Very little compares to a Ravenwing assault that culminates in a massive Deathwing assault.

[Kadaeux]

That being said, rule wise in 40k I say Ravenwing are the better bikers. Although I may be biased...

Nah, not biased at all. Ruleswise they definitely are since the White Scars are (unless I missed something) stuck with effectively the Ultramarines rules with only a special character to their name :p

White Scar rules are pretty damn good, actually.

Autopass dangerous terrain
+1 to jink save (so 3+ cover save)
+1 to Hammer of Wrath attacks (So St5 In10 automatic hit)
Hit and Run

But Ravenwing still have an edge.

Dedicated formations that boost the shooting abilities of the attack squadrons
Support squadrons getting to overwatch if a Ravenwing unit is charged
Scout
Hit and Run
Reroll cover saves from jink

Yeah it's changed since I stopped collecting then. Last codex I have White Scars were just part of the basic Marines codex with Kor'sorro Khan as a special character.

White Scars are a one trick pony. They are very good at that one trick, but I think the Ravenwing is better just because of everything it can do.

Ravenwing truly shines when it is in a combined force with the Deathwing. Very little compares to a Ravenwing assault that culminates in a massive Deathwing assault.

I'd see it as the inverse actually. Deathwing Assault completed with a Ravenwing flanking and encirclement. The typical Anvil vs Hammer.

[Cryhavok]

I'd see it as the inverse actually. Deathwing Assault completed with a Ravenwing flanking and encirclement. The typical Anvil vs Hammer.

Nope, Ravenwing finds the target and begins the attack while guiding in the Deathwing with teleport homers. Of course once the Deathwing engages the enemy then Ravenwing goes to flank and cut off any avenue of retreat.

[Ironhide]

By lore, White Scars are the masters of the mounted assault. I suggest you all read the "Scars" Horus Heresy book.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18143803-scars

[Cryhavok]

By lore, White Scars are the masters of the mounted assault. I suggest you all read the "Scars" Horus Heresy book.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18143803-scars

Pah, silly white scars propaganda