Adrmial Seraph wrote:CALiGeR190 wrote:Adrmial Seraph wrote:
Agree to disagree is a nice sentiment...but when math proves your point totally wrong...I don't accept that.
You're not accounting for several variables such as point cost, the amount of turrets and so forth.
Doubling the shield and hull value only theoretically increases the damage two fold, just like how the total dps of messenger seeker spam is only theoretical because it's highly unlikely that you'll get 12 Messengers within 3k of 1 ship.
We seem to have a misunderstanding here, I'm comparing one against the other on an individual basis, not as a fleet.
I'm trying to argue with that a Dhow is doubly likely to get within 3K range, has (nearly) double the potential with seekers and a much superior base armament. I wasn't trying to argue for a pure Dhow build in that fashion, like I said, I was talking on an individual basis.
Optimally you can get 7 Dhows, in the same scenario you can manage about double that in Messengers. In that specific scenario it's very roughly even, but in most cases I concede that the numbers advantage is too great to recomend a Dhow seeker build.
Although it is worth pointing out that Dhows ARE more reliably going to do damage against a fleet.
Why compare on an individual basis though? You'd never send 1 messengers against a ship, same with the Dhow. Sending in 1 obfuscates the intended purpose of comparing them within the context of seeker spam. A singe Escort with seekers is meh, it's only when the damage starts stacking that we see alarming results.
Because I was specifically analysing value per ship.
I surpose the water caste favour makes a Dhow build useable, and I would argue that in the late game when you can take 7 Dhows it's worth it over messengers.
But generally the messenger spam can actually be used, even if its effectiveness hasn't impressed me at all in my testing.