Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby Adrmial Seraph » 09 September 2016, 17:49

CALiGeR190 wrote:
Adrmial Seraph wrote:Frankly, all the gravihook ships need a point reduction, they are just not worth the excessive extra points to bring 2+ Escorts.

If you're sacrificing weaponry for Escorts then the Escorts need to be cheap enough to be a significant discount to their normal point cost due to the opportunity cost of not having more weaponry.

They are with the Dhow upgrade, I'd happily pay extra for two of those escorts, and getting two extra escorts to begin with is pretty powerful.


By your logic you might as well spam messengers with marker=seeker+additional turrets. At least you'd get insane dps out of that point sink instead of a not so crappy Savage.

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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby CALiGeR190 » 09 September 2016, 18:34

Adrmial Seraph wrote:By your logic you might as well spam messengers with marker=seeker+additional turrets. At least you'd get insane dps out of that point sink instead of a not so crappy Savage.

Are you trying to tell me the Dhow is bad?
Are you for real?
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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby Uksharazad87 » 09 September 2016, 18:45

No, Were not. The points is, that the Rank 8 Battleship, is to expensive to be used in *ANY* 2v2 mode.

End of the day, Id like to be able to have the choice to use any ship i have at my disposal in any gamemode. It really sucks having that choice taken from you, especially if for EG: you've only been playing 2v2.

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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby CALiGeR190 » 09 September 2016, 18:54

Uksharazad87 wrote:No, Were not. The points is, that the Rank 8 Battleship, is to expensive to be used in *ANY* 2v2 mode.

End of the day, Id like to be able to have the choice to use any ship i have at my disposal in any gamemode. It really sucks having that choice taken from you, especially if for EG: you've only been playing 2v2.

Since the Dhow is easily the best escort in the game and can't be acquired in any other way, I feel the high point price is justified then.
It isn't with Wardens though, they aren't very good. Just like the other two Tau escorts: too fragile, too little payoff for their price.

I also don't really get why one option being removed would annoy you so much... it's not even like you are at a disadvantage, the Stronghold in particular is a very solid battleship that you can take if you want one.
Increasing the points by 50 still can't hurt too much. It's just how big of a knock on effect it will have that makes me very reluctant to support the change.
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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby Uksharazad87 » 09 September 2016, 18:57

CALiGeR190 wrote:
Uksharazad87 wrote:No, Were not. The points is, that the Rank 8 Battleship, is to expensive to be used in *ANY* 2v2 mode.

End of the day, Id like to be able to have the choice to use any ship i have at my disposal in any gamemode. It really sucks having that choice taken from you, especially if for EG: you've only been playing 2v2.

Since the Dhow is easily the best escort in the game and can't be acquired in any other way, I feel the high point price is justified then.
It isn't with Wardens though, they aren't very good. Just like the other two Tau escorts: too fragile, too little payoff for their price.

I also don't really get why one option being removed would annoy you so much... it's not even like you are at a disadvantage, the Stronghold in particular is a very solid battleship that you can take if you want one.
Increasing the points by 50 still can't hurt too much. It's just how big of a knock on effect it will have that makes me very reluctant to support the change.


ok, Were you annoyed / confused when the space marine DLC hit with Battlebarges being unable to be played in 2v2?

Same thing here.

How good the ship is vs others is a moot point if your only been playing a gamemode that doesnt allow you to even take it

EDIT: This isnt an argument about its cost being too high. I accept it high price for what you get. What i dont get it being unable to use it in co-op etc.

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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby CALiGeR190 » 09 September 2016, 19:00

Uksharazad87 wrote:ok, Were you annoyed / confused when the space marine DLC hit with Battlebarges being unable to be played in 2v2?

Same thing here.

How good the ship is vs of ther is a moot point if your only been playing a gamemode that doesnt allow you to even take it

EDIT: This isnt an argument about its cost being too high. I accept it high price for what you get. What i dont get it being unable to use it in co-op etc.

The BB is a different case.
That annoyed me because it was the ONLY Battleship option and the only ship in the entire SM line up that was half way decent.
The Custodian is just another option to me, another powerful battleship option is open and Tau CLs and Cruisers don't suck at all.

So yeah, not really bothered it cant be used in 2v2. Maybe reducing its cost by 7? Then there is very little knock on effect and you can still technically take the ship if you want.
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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby Uksharazad87 » 09 September 2016, 19:03

Hmmph, Fair enough i cant change your mind on it, differant strokes for differant folks.

to me, this is no differant.

"I cant take my Tau battleship into 2v2"

"But you can take the Aux ships"

"There not the Tau BB"

and so on and round we go for eternity :P

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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby CALiGeR190 » 09 September 2016, 19:07

Uksharazad87 wrote:Hmmph, Fair enough i cant change your mind on it, differant strokes for differant folks.

to me, this is no differant.

"I cant take my Tau battleship into 2v2"

"But you can take the Aux ships"

"There not the Tau BB"

and so on and round we go for eternity :P

It does just seem to be a difference of opinion.
I'm really not bother if I have a fleet of Tau ships or Demiurg/Kroot/Nicassar. They are all Xenos filth to me.
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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby Uksharazad87 » 09 September 2016, 19:13

CALiGeR190 wrote:
Uksharazad87 wrote:Hmmph, Fair enough i cant change your mind on it, differant strokes for differant folks.

to me, this is no differant.

"I cant take my Tau battleship into 2v2"

"But you can take the Aux ships"

"There not the Tau BB"

and so on and round we go for eternity :P

It does just seem to be a difference of opinion.
I'm really not bother if I have a fleet of Tau ships or Demiurg/Kroot/Nicassar. They are all Xenos filth to me.


I just want the choice of my full roster available in top tier 2v2 game, co-op or otherwise, so i can you know, use it all. Wether we get a 7 points drop in the cost, +50pts to All 2v2 modes for a max of 850pts, or an ability to Xfer leftover Points between 2v2 players. im not fussed wich :3

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Re: Tau at Rank 8. A rant.

Postby Sir A Harris » 09 September 2016, 19:50

I do feel some of the ships are overly expensive compared to counterparts

yeah, tau BB is verging double the cost of the IN and Chaos BBs with 200 points less armour and 100 points less shields, plus the Tau escorts in big battles (elite mode) really negate its abilitys making it likely to try to retreat

yeah, 310 points in the physical game, that is considerably cheaper.....
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