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Re: Space marines ships

Postby BrianDavion » 04 May 2016, 11:25

Well ravensberg has already outright said the Vanmguard will be in, and he refered to it as a light cruiser.

as for data on it, it's from one of the badb war books FW put out.

it's Exact table top stats are as follows:

Type/Hits: Cruiser/6
Speed: 25 (ity got extra speed when using the all ahead full order)
Turns 90 degrees
Shields: 1
Armor 6+
Turrets: 3

Weaponry:
Port Batteries Range: 30 Firepower: 5 Arc: Left
Starboard Batteries Range: 30 Firepower: 5 Arc: Right
Prow Launch Bay: 1 Squadron
Prow Torpedos: Firepower: 4


This is contrasted with the Strike Cruiser Whose TT stats for Comparison are:

type/Hits: Cruiser/6
Speed: 25
Turns 90 degrees
Shields: 1
Armor 6+
Turrets: 2

Weaponry:
Port Batteries Range: 30 Firepower: 4 Arc: Left
Starboard Batteries Range: 30 Firepower: 4 Arc: Right
Prow Launch Bay: 1 Squadron
Prow Bombardment Cannon range 30 firepower 3 Arc: front, left, right



so generally speaking they're about equal, with the standard strike cruiser being a little better gunned.



For comparisons Sake BTW here are the table top stats of the Dauntless Light cruiser
type/Hits: Cruiser/6
Speed: 25
Turns 90 degrees
Shields: 1
Armor 5+
Turrets: 1

Weaponry:
Port Batteries Range: 30 Firepower: 4 Arc: Left
Starboard Batteries Range: 30 Firepower: 4 Arc: Right
Prow Lance: range 30 Firepower 3 arc: front

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Re: Space marines ships

Postby Scorch715 » 04 May 2016, 14:18

Cheers for posting the stats. It's curious that the Vanguard's broadsides are actually more powerful despite supposedly being the lighter armed variant.

Based on the stats, both strike and vanguard cruisers should be CL then. But it raises some interesting questions about what will fill the CA and BC roles. While it's true many chapters possess IN ships, it would be viewed as a cop out if the Marine Fleet was mostly made up of reskinned naval vessels.

One possibility that seems to have been skipped over is that Tindalos may leave the middle 2 tiers empty and make the CLs incredibly powerful for what they are. What do you think the chances of that are?

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Re: Space marines ships

Postby Mr Morden » 04 May 2016, 16:06

Scorch715 wrote:Cheers for posting the stats. It's curious that the Vanguard's broadsides are actually more powerful despite supposedly being the lighter armed variant.

Based on the stats, both strike and vanguard cruisers should be CL then. But it raises some interesting questions about what will fill the CA and BC roles. While it's true many chapters possess IN ships, it would be viewed as a cop out if the Marine Fleet was mostly made up of reskinned naval vessels.

One possibility that seems to have been skipped over is that Tindalos may leave the middle 2 tiers empty and make the CLs incredibly powerful for what they are. What do you think the chances of that are?


The Vanguard lacks the Bombardment cannon which are the real punch of the Strike Cruiser but both have the 6+ armour you will note so while they are a light cruiser for the Astartes, its not a bad match for a line navy cruiser given its armour, boarding ability and own strike craft.

Using the Vanguard means they can have both a light and normal cruiser and if the want a up-gunned variant of the Strike Cruiser as a battlecruiser.....

They could allow a single Navy or Chaos cruiser, Battlecruiser or Battleship as a Chapter relic...........
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Re: Space marines ships

Postby BrianDavion » 04 May 2016, 17:12

The Vanguard lacks the Bombardment cannon which are the real punch of the Strike Cruiser but both have the 6+ armour you will note so while they are a light cruiser for the Astartes, its not a bad match for a line navy cruiser given its armour, boarding ability and own strike craft.


the armor'd be a lot better if macro cannon AP rounds reduced armor BY 25 not TO 25

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Re: Space marines ships

Postby Scorch715 » 04 May 2016, 21:11

Hopefully Tindalos change the AP rounds in an upcoming patch. As it stands, they completely nullify one of the space marines' main advantages, which is definitely not balanced.

If they were to include other ships in the lineup, what do you think they'd be? Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that any ship would have to have launch bays to fit in with the space marines assault role

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Re: Space marines ships

Postby wowu56 » 04 May 2016, 21:28

The regular strike cruiser as seen from the campaign is already comparable to an IN full cruiser (1 marco + launch bay, similar to IN Overlord Class, while bombard cannon is similar to torpedo/NC as prow weapon), it'll be too OP to make it a CL available for Lv 1 admiral (even with the price of full cruiser).

My guess is that the so-called 'Vanguard CL' would be some type of ancient Imperial CL design that's not Dauntless, refitted with SM equipment. The BC would be either Imp/Chaos grand cruiser or up-gunned strike cruiser.

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Re: Space marines ships

Postby Mr Morden » 04 May 2016, 22:03

wowu56 wrote:The regular strike cruiser as seen from the campaign is already comparable to an IN full cruiser (1 marco + launch bay, similar to IN Overlord Class, while bombard cannon is similar to torpedo/NC as prow weapon), it'll be too OP to make it a CL available for Lv 1 admiral (even with the price of full cruiser).

My guess is that the so-called 'Vanguard CL' would be some type of ancient Imperial CL design that's not Dauntless, refitted with SM equipment. The BC would be either Imp/Chaos grand cruiser or up-gunned strike cruiser.


Vanguard Crusiers is a lore ship from the Forgeworld Imperial Armour series - stats have been posted :)
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Re: Space marines ships

Postby wowu56 » 04 May 2016, 23:09

Mr Morden wrote:
wowu56 wrote:The regular strike cruiser as seen from the campaign is already comparable to an IN full cruiser (1 marco + launch bay, similar to IN Overlord Class, while bombard cannon is similar to torpedo/NC as prow weapon), it'll be too OP to make it a CL available for Lv 1 admiral (even with the price of full cruiser).

My guess is that the so-called 'Vanguard CL' would be some type of ancient Imperial CL design that's not Dauntless, refitted with SM equipment. The BC would be either Imp/Chaos grand cruiser or up-gunned strike cruiser.


Vanguard Crusiers is a lore ship from the Forgeworld Imperial Armour series - stats have been posted :)


I saw that, but it's not contrary, as they're said to be 'refitted rather than purpose built'. Unless it's not based on IN hull, otherwise it would only be refitted from older IN CL.

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Re: Space marines ships

Postby BrianDavion » 04 May 2016, 23:10

wowu56 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
wowu56 wrote:The regular strike cruiser as seen from the campaign is already comparable to an IN full cruiser (1 marco + launch bay, similar to IN Overlord Class, while bombard cannon is similar to torpedo/NC as prow weapon), it'll be too OP to make it a CL available for Lv 1 admiral (even with the price of full cruiser).

My guess is that the so-called 'Vanguard CL' would be some type of ancient Imperial CL design that's not Dauntless, refitted with SM equipment. The BC would be either Imp/Chaos grand cruiser or up-gunned strike cruiser.


Vanguard Crusiers is a lore ship from the Forgeworld Imperial Armour series - stats have been posted :)


I saw that, but it's not contrary, as they're said to be 'refitted rather than purpose built'. Unless it's not based on IN hull, otherwise it would only be refitted from older IN CL.


they're refitted strike cruisers. same hull as the standard

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Re: Space marines ships

Postby wowu56 » 04 May 2016, 23:35

BrianDavion wrote:
wowu56 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Vanguard Crusiers is a lore ship from the Forgeworld Imperial Armour series - stats have been posted :)


I saw that, but it's not contrary, as they're said to be 'refitted rather than purpose built'. Unless it's not based on IN hull, otherwise it would only be refitted from older IN CL.


they're refitted strike cruisers. same hull as the standard


OIC, but then it would be a bit weird for them to have lesser HP than the normal strike cruiser (as a full cruiser/CA in game), unless they're priced 125 or above, so as not to rape other lv1 admirals in 250 pts match with two 225 speed, 800 HP, 75 armour all round 'light cruisers'.


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