Imperator5 wrote:Lance Harbringers will kill you to death easily. Especially if they got a probe. Superior weapons.. can you count? I did the math. You ignore the math.

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You must have came up against players who are WORSE than easy ai. You also ignored the math I did that proven for a fact that Sm Vanguard weapons are extremely weak. Never ignore math.

Mathematics is a scalpel, not a cudgel. You're being breathtakingly arrogant. I understand it's par for this forum but in this case the holes in your argument are so obvious that it's cringe-worthy.

Nobody is arguing that the Vanguard has better DPS than the Dauntless (which is my favourite ship, incidentally), but in that duel, it's the Dauntless that's more likely to suffer critical hits to its systems and thus suffer a bigger drop in survivability or DPS. A stock Dauntless vs a stock Vanguard has an effective troop rating of 50 vs 70, and the crits the Dauntless suffers are more likely to be permanent.

So you can't just do a straight DPS comparison. This should be obvious. You can use binomial probability to make estimates on the number of crits per boarding that will inflicted, for example.

In the Vanguard vs. Dauntless duel, remembering LCs roll two assault dice and that you add turrets to troop ratings vs. boarding actions, that means you can expect the Dauntless to suffer two critical hits 16.81% of the time, one critical hit 48.38% of the time, and suffer no damage 34.81% of the time; compared to that, the Vanguard suffers two critical hits 4.41% per, one critical hit 33.18% per, and no damage 62.41% per boarding action.

If you apply weighting to this, that means the Vanguard inflicts around 0.82 critical hits per boarding pass, whereas the Dauntless inflicts around 0.42 critical hits per boarding pass. That's a sizeable difference.

And yes, it's still down to the RNG whether that takes out shields, or deck, or weapons. But you can't just dismiss that as "just luck" when you turn around and say "never ignore the math" in the next post. Mathematics is a scalpel, not a cudgel.

And maybe there's another answer as to why CALiGeR190 has been having success with them (you know, other than only drawing noobs): maybe the dude plays well (he's been doing it since Alpha, apparently!) and has gelled well with the playstyle! And maybe, just maybe, he even knows how to count!