Eldar vs Eldar

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Eldar vs Eldar

Postby Davielebb » 14 May 2016, 17:16

If like me you wanted that epic pulsar one shot sniping build then fought your first match vs eldar and got rekt you can try this, i was losing pretty much every match against eldar with pulsars then i tried just one throw away line ship and like 8 escorts or as many as you can get, specifically the one with 15 light star cannons, this is especially good if you invest 400 points to give them the armor piercing at 3k upgrade as well as the engines upgrade.

Just set them on auto auto attack at 3k range broad side NOT frontal. this makes them fly rings around the other eldar ships while pelting them non stop, these ships are fairly horrible aghainst the other races but thats what pulsar builds are for just use this secondary "escort" fleet for annoying mirror matches.

Another funny trick is when your about to lose one of those escorts. place it in front of a bigger enemy ship so the enemy eldar ships rams it taking huge damage itself, cos apparently with all that advanced tech they couldnt think of anything othert than paper mache to use as armor :P

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Re: Eldar vs Eldar

Postby Halstead » 14 May 2016, 17:47

Marco (star cannon being one) is pretty much the weapon to use against Eldar. Pulsar is lance type and therefore is absorbed mostly by the holofield.

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Re: Eldar vs Eldar

Postby Thedrik » 14 May 2016, 19:07

I tend to use Shadows and Arconites against other Eldar Corsairs.

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Postby Facejack » 15 May 2016, 23:10

Eldar vs Eldar is evidence that holofields need a nerf vs lances (and probably a buff vs macros). Why should pulsars and lances do almost no damage to Eldar?? Makes no sense to me and it hurts Chaos a lot too.

Shadows and aconite spam work quite well vs Eldar.

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Postby Hyv » 16 May 2016, 16:26

The eldar vs eldar matchup is awful. I bring 3 shadows and aconite spam, other players tend to do the same though some bring the light cruiser carrier instead of shadows. Whatever players bring, its an absolutely dull brawl. Theres no hit and run, in fact theres no running at all. Theres just slugging at eachother. Playing properly feels like it matters way to little. Fleet selection feels most important, followed by using the correct order (brace vs lock on), followed by upgrades. Only if all those things are equal does it feel like it matters to keep holofields up, to focus fire etc.

I think holofields are in a good place right now but the mirror match it creates is awfully boring.

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Re: Eldar vs Eldar

Postby Solitaire_7 » 16 May 2016, 18:30

The Eldar are a dying race, so the whole notion of Eldar fighting each other when their long lived existence is so precious to them well it just doesn't feel right :D. That said there are bound to be disagreements from time to time between the four aspects.

Never forget Pulsars are still relevant against targets where the holos are at low level or their ship isn't moving. In the initial brawl it is all about the star cannons and boarding actions/lightening strikes.

We could just all make some kind of secret pact to preserve our race maybe :lol:?
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Re: Eldar vs Eldar

Postby Harlequin » 16 May 2016, 18:37

Yes. Eldar vs Eldar ends always in Shadow spam and ramming action. There is no running away, there is no retreat, just one brutal Brawl. It works but it feels so wrong. :?
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Re: Eldar vs Eldar

Postby Thedrik » 16 May 2016, 19:14

Solitaire_7 wrote:The Eldar are a dying race, so the whole notion of Eldar fighting each other when their long lived existence is so precious to them well it just doesn't feel right :D. That said there are bound to be disagreements from time to time between the four aspects.


I feel like I need to point out these are outcasts not craftworld eldar who follow the path system. Corsairs don't follow the structure of the craftworld they are only out for their own enjoyment and profit.

Imperial Armor 11 (first edition, still waiting on the new edition to come in the mail...): "An Eldar Corsair is more akin to the Eldar before the Fall than those who now live upon the Craftworlds. Not for them are the highly disciplined path trod by their Craftworld kin, although many may turn to them once their need to explore the galaxy and all it has to offer has been satiated. That is though if they have not completely turned in their lot with their dark kin who dwell in the depths of Commorragh."

Don't apply craftworld logic to them, they are pirates, slavers, and in many cases drug users. Their Psykers don't protect themselves from the warp like the craftworld eldar do either and possession is a common threat to them do to this.

Also it depends on who you consider Eldar when it comes to being a dying race. Dark Eldar have no problems with population, they grow batches of new people in tubes to keep their Kabals well supplied and their raids going, while the numbers of Trueborn might be small they are not a population in decline. Can't make comments on exodite populations as their lore has been ignored for quite a while now and we have no real mention on Harlequin populations and their decline, stagnation, or growth (that I know of).

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Re: Eldar vs Eldar

Postby Solitaire_7 » 18 May 2016, 20:11

Thedrik wrote:
Solitaire_7 wrote:The Eldar are a dying race, so the whole notion of Eldar fighting each other when their long lived existence is so precious to them well it just doesn't feel right :D. That said there are bound to be disagreements from time to time between the four aspects.


I feel like I need to point out these are outcasts not craftworld eldar who follow the path system. Corsairs don't follow the structure of the craftworld they are only out for their own enjoyment and profit.

Imperial Armor 11 (first edition, still waiting on the new edition to come in the mail...): "An Eldar Corsair is more akin to the Eldar before the Fall than those who now live upon the Craftworlds. Not for them are the highly disciplined path trod by their Craftworld kin, although many may turn to them once their need to explore the galaxy and all it has to offer has been satiated. That is though if they have not completely turned in their lot with their dark kin who dwell in the depths of Commorragh."

Don't apply craftworld logic to them, they are pirates, slavers, and in many cases drug users. Their Psykers don't protect themselves from the warp like the craftworld eldar do either and possession is a common threat to them do to this.

Also it depends on who you consider Eldar when it comes to being a dying race. Dark Eldar have no problems with population, they grow batches of new people in tubes to keep their Kabals well supplied and their raids going, while the numbers of Trueborn might be small they are not a population in decline. Can't make comments on exodite populations as their lore has been ignored for quite a while now and we have no real mention on Harlequin populations and their decline, stagnation, or growth (that I know of).

/end rant.


I was talking metaphorically about the race as a whole (Do not mention the Dark Eldar cough cough). I presumed that corsairs not long since leaving their craftworld may still preserve a certain life is precious philosophy.

Of course you are absolutely right they are outcasts/pirates and some of the traits you mention send them down a different path. Corsairs leave the craftworld with a spirit of adventure seeking new things, no doubt bored of the day to day monotony of the long lived. They still get the full support of Kaela Mensha Khaine and his Aspect warriors. Inevitably some of those Corsairs fall into slavery, drug pedaling and worse losing the support of their God and ending up at the "Dark City".

I guess corsair genocide may well be the answer after all ! :lol:
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Re: Eldar vs Eldar

Postby Draxynnic » 19 May 2016, 10:01

I think it’s a little more complicated than that:

From the Craftworld perspective, Corsairs follow the Path of the Outcast, same as Rangers. In practise, the Path of the Outcast means that they’ve abandoned the Paths and been exiled from the craftworld (such exile, however, is typically viewed more as being for the safety of the craftworld rather than being a punishment per se) without having adopted one of the other protection measures from the Thirst (consuming souls to replenish their own like a Dark Eldar, or living the pastorial lifestyle of the Exodites).

Among the Corsairs, there are a wide variety of behaviours and relationships with the craftworlds. Some, like the Rangers that can be included in a Craftworld army, remain loyal to their craftworld while living apart from it. Others are well on their way to becoming Dark Eldar. Generally, the craftworld attitude appears to be that any living Eldar, even a Dark Eldar, is better than a dead one, so true Craftworld Eldar and those followers of the Path of the Outcast that remain generally loyal to the Craftworld ideals usually avoid seeking the death of other Eldar – however, they will do so if their interests conflict. Craftworld Eldar will, for instance, confront raiders if there’s a concern that the actions of those raiders will provoke misplaced retaliation against a Craftworld or an Exodite world, and craftworlds will even go to war with one another if they have sufficiently incompatible goals.

Corsair-Corsair battles could occur because one (or both) fleets is acting on behalf of one or more craftworlds, or could just be typical fighting over the spoils between pirate bands, particularly if one or both is close to the point of switching to the selfishness of the Dark Eldar.

End result is that no Eldar would seek the destruction of Eldar Corsairs just because they’re corsairs. However, battles between Eldar fleets certainly can and do occur despite the general Eldar desire not to push their own race closer to extinction.


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