Lucifronsun wrote: if the retribution had the firepower of a ship below it's class, there'd be such a relentless stream of bitching that the devs would change it nearly on the spot.
pre macro buff didnt the reti have the same broadside dps as the dominiator?
In terms of macros, yes. Dominator is 2x18 damage batteries per broadside, Retri was 3x12 for the same damage but double the range.
Now of course the Retri's broadside is 3x15 damage post-plasma macro buff, and it always had those 3 dorsal lance turrets so it technically always did a little more damage than a Dominator at the same range.
On the other hand, if you wanted to actually use the Retri's range advantage over the Dominator, the current macro implementation was a big hurdle. Yeah, all the Retri's guns have 12k base range while the Dominator only gets 6k - but if you actually fight at 12k, the Retri's broadside is kind of questionable again, only the dorsal lances are reliable at that range.
It's always easy to compare lance boats - Desolator has about the same lance damage as the Acheron, both have questionably useful dorsal weapon batteries you don't care about at 12-15k, and those lances do the same damage at any range.
However, the Retribution was always a straight upgrade to the Overlord - more broadside power, extra dorsal lances, more torpedoes, same speed, turns a little worse. (of course this was easy to do since the Overlord has weaker broadsides than a Tyrant or Dominator).
Meanwhile the Desolator was in the past a budget battleship with the speed of a Chaos cruiser/Acheron, and it doesn't even have that, now. A Retribution with Mezoa engine is faster than the Desi which just doesn't feel right.