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need help with chaos

Postby sjaugust1 » 17 April 2016, 20:28

So i've made the move from solo skirmish to mulitplayer and i need some serious help here as i've chosen chaos.
so first what exatly do i need to do to counter the 3 other factions? i understand the basics of kiting but that seems to only work vs slow factions like orkz. i've had an imperial ship chase my cruiser down before going all ahead full. And my speed and range doesn't really matter much vs Eldar. outside of ramming and carriers/bording i can't seem to hurt them.
next whats the roles of the slaughter, carnage and murder ships? i think the slaughter has higher dps but less of a punch? and the murder is more long range?
just to clarify i do understand the benefits of the marks. i've used nergle on a slaughter to some success in skirmish however the ship just flat out dies in multiplayer.
also is it just better to use mostly carriers? my damage sucks so bad i kinda wonder if its the only way to kill things.

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Re: need help with chaos

Postby Bosie » 17 April 2016, 20:34

Re-roll Eldar. Chaos, and the other factions, are fucked at the moment due to Eldar stopping 90% of any hits you get on them then 25% of the 10% that do hit. Plus they have supper lasers that do 90 damage in 3 seconds at all but CA level, and each ship runs at least 2 of these.
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Re: need help with chaos

Postby Zephyranthes » 17 April 2016, 21:01

I wouldn't say re roll just cause one faction is op :p just practice imo, you are likely going up against people who have had a lot more games trying to get in on Chaos and they are more prepared to take you on than vice versa.

Personally I use a lot of stasis fields for area control, and vision skills to fire at then while they aren't firing back. I haven't played since Eldar came out though.
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Re: need help with chaos

Postby Bludfist » 17 April 2016, 21:11

Bosie wrote:Re-roll Eldar. Chaos, and the other factions, are fucked at the moment due to Eldar stopping 90% of any hits you get on them then 25% of the 10% that do hit. Plus they have supper lasers that do 90 damage in 3 seconds at all but CA level, and each ship runs at least 2 of these.

do slaughters with nurgle favor not work vs them?
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Re: need help with chaos

Postby Sibiryak » 17 April 2016, 22:10

Bludfist wrote:
Bosie wrote:Re-roll Eldar. Chaos, and the other factions, are fucked at the moment due to Eldar stopping 90% of any hits you get on them then 25% of the 10% that do hit. Plus they have supper lasers that do 90 damage in 3 seconds at all but CA level, and each ship runs at least 2 of these.

do slaughters with nurgle favor not work vs them?


When you are facing Eldar as Chaos, you are "the Orks".

I like to hide in a gas cloud and bait them to come close by any means possible and then charge them just as they are lining up their pulsars. As I get close, I try to get as many boardings off as i can (better than lightning strikes) targeting generators, spam bombs and taunts and try to line up rams while applying Nurgle. The goal here is to overwhelm the Eldar player, so they mess up and either let me ram them, ram themselves or leave a ship standing still. Any ship standing still or which lost its gen gets primaried by my fleet to remove as much enemy damage from the field as possible.

Once the Eldar disengages from the charge, you need to disengage yourself and wait for your skills to come off cooldown or chase down stragglers with your carriers.

Anything with Nurgle is good vs Eldar. Slaughters are nice, because they are the fastest cruiser, so have the easiest time getting close. I really like the Hellbringer with Nurgle vs Eldar, because it is also fast (if squishy) and ordnance has an easier time doing damage to them.

Carriers are much better vs Eldar than gunboats. Just keep in mind that an Eldar ship moving away can kite your Bombers/Assault boats and negate most or all damage, so it is better to have the wings attack them as they move towards you.

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Re: need help with chaos

Postby sjaugust1 » 17 April 2016, 23:03

I do admit I felt like my escorts are fairly useless outside of granting vision for my carriers. I had 6 in one match and they couldn't focus down one imperial cruiser. Might as well have been firing pebbles.

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Postby Pony » 18 April 2016, 12:17

I do admit I felt like my escorts are fairly useless outside of granting vision for my carriers. I had 6 in one match and they couldn't focus down one imperial cruiser. Might as well have been firing pebbles.



Take a pack. Find the eldar escort/transports/light cruisers. Ram.

I put on my lance escort +50 hull, +3 turrets, +50 speed (transport hunt). They're use to : spot (also on cloud), ram the escorts, take torpedoes (ty turrets)

Just lock auto focus and auto repair, set : front fight, aim and ram. You may manage a pack of 6 to 12 easily.

Of course, there's some weaknesses but thats not so bad.

My advice : forget the destroyers, they're fast with a lot of missiles but they got only half the hull and the turrets of the others.
I dont realy like the torpedoes too, i got so much to manage on line ships to use them well. But on low points games, they can be usefull (cheap way to hit on clouds)

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Re: need help with chaos

Postby sjaugust1 » 18 April 2016, 14:02

Could someone explain the difference between the slaughter and carnage ships? Is there a reason why I'd pick the carnage with it's slower rate of fire for only 2 more points of damage?

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Postby Bludfist » 18 April 2016, 14:08

Sibiryak wrote:Carriers are much better vs Eldar than gunboats. Just keep in mind that an Eldar ship moving away can kite your Bombers/Assault boats and negate most or all damage, so it is better to have the wings attack them as they move towards you.

this is false, all eldar can kite your bombers, all eldar can take darkstar fighters and eclipse and voidstaker have launch bays for anti ordinance

carriers and carrier fleets are very lackluster atm
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Re: need help with chaos

Postby Beernchips » 18 April 2016, 14:15

Could someone explain the difference between the slaughter and carnage ships? Is there a reason why I'd pick the carnage with it's slower rate of fire for only 2 more points of damage?


Slaughter is 225 speed but have a mix of broadsides macro and lance weapons at 6k range
Carnage is 188 speed with full macro weapons broadsides at 9k range
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