Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby MadDemiurg » 22 April 2016, 10:07

Just wait till SM are out. "My SM ship got boarded by orks and lost its engine! That would never happen in fluff!!!"
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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby BrianDavion » 22 April 2016, 10:16

MadDemiurg wrote:Just wait till SM are out. "My SM ship got boarded with orks and lost its engine! That would never happen in fluff!!!"


yeah but this game'd suck if they balanced around Bolter porn :)

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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby Zarquon » 22 April 2016, 10:24

The OP's gripe is foolish.

The Imperial Navy is not supposed to be better than any one race at what they specialize at. The Imperial Navy is supposed to be well-rounded and weaker than any one race at their specializations, but better than any one race at their weaknesses. Thus; the IN should lose to Orcs in close-combat; lose to Eldar in kiting and speed; and lose to Chaos at range. But; the IN can beat the Eldars hands-down in combat; beat the Orcs hands-down at ranged; and likely beat or have an edge over Chaos at kiting and combat.

This is speaking from someone who mains the Imperial Navy. I like the faction as it is. And remember the saying:

Jack of all trades, master of none, but oftentimes better than the master of one.

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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby Magpie842 » 22 April 2016, 10:25

Look, I'm just some guy and not the best IN admiral in the world, but it seems to me like trying to break the IN fleet by min/maxing like the other races will never work.

If you build the whole fleet for lances, it won't work against chaos. If you build it all about broadsides, you lose to orks. If go full carrier, you'll die to eldar. And so on.

The other races can focus on one of their strengths and come out with something no other race can match. IN can't really do this (except to a lesser extent with novas or torps, but that's not enough to carry a win).

Orks can have the same plan every game, it's almost how they're supposed to work. Same for chaos and eldar, to a lesser extent; they can go in with a plan, then try to play it to the best of their ability and if it works it works, if not it fails.

Perhaps the best way to build IN is as a reactive fleet. Have some carriers. Have some lances. Have some broadsides. Have some novas. Then recon your foe and adapt your playstyle on the fly rather than playing the same plan every game. By being the most balanced fleet you have a great adaptive, reactive attribute that I don't ever see anyone using.

IN can't compete directly with the strengths of the other races - to do so is futile. You'll never out-orks or out-chaos chaos. But you can look at their fleet, see how they're trying to play it, and make life as difficult as possible for your foe to execute efficiently - I don't see that any other race can do this as well as IN.

On the flipside, the other races just have some flat out bad matchups. Carrier chaos die to eldar, for example. I think a well thought out IN fleet should have all achievable matchups (or maybe some strong and a few weak but no dramatically skewed matchups).

That's my thoughts. Is anyone playing this way?

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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby cmdchicken » 22 April 2016, 10:34

I'm as much as an IN whiner as anyone but it's far too early to declare the Imperials useless against Orks. Try a few different upgrades, try the new torps or the buffed plasma macros. We've had the release patch for a day!

If, and only if, the IN is too weak against Orks and the problem is not the interface between chair and keyboard we should look at changing things.

However, the answer is not to make the IN better at brawling than the brawling faction.

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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby GrenAcid » 22 April 2016, 10:49

Im good with IN...exept useless novas....it better to take torpedos with them and some work you can hit and do damage with novas no skill just RNG and most likely you hit jack shit or your own ship.....even at minimum range where it should be semi-acurate.

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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby Grimnir » 22 April 2016, 10:56

The game has just been released. Give it a little time before coming to the conclusion that "X is worse than Y" or "Z needs a buff".

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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby Calixis » 22 April 2016, 11:01

I got pretty thrashed by an Ork player last night going in close against him. It wasn't until I tried limping away with an engine-crippled cruiser that we both realised, even with the engines gone on my vessel, our ships were both moving at the same speed.

We're not Chaos - we're definitely not Eldar - but the best way to deal with Orks at this point seems to be keeping that sweet medium range where we can easily get out of their ramming but their weapons aren't as devastating as they would be if we tried going full broadsides against a over extending Chaos or Eldar fleet.

Unfortunately, 9/10 of my games have been against Chaos or Eldar. That nobody seems to be playing the Greenskins at all should tell you something.

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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby LordSmurf » 22 April 2016, 11:21

Sweet spot is between 3k and 6k. Less then 3k and the Ork eats you, more then 6k and you wont hit anything.

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Re: Imperial Navy still just feel like worse Orks...

Postby Calixis » 22 April 2016, 11:24

Sounds about right.


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