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Battles against good eldar players are actually Fun now.

Postby MYNAME? » 10 June 2016, 19:14

I played a really good eldar player today.

It was a constant back in forth. I lost ships he lost ships.

Mind You i was playing with 1 Carnage and 4 Hellbringers and i gave the guy a run for his money.

I killed his Void stalker but eventually i
lost the match because my last hellbringer was beat up. But it went all the way down too both of our ships only having less than 100 hull points left had my hellbringer cloaked in time maybe i could have won but it was a very fun battle. I wasnt on a timer anymore like it used to be when you went into a eldar game where you had to kill the eldar faster than he was killin you and every eldar fly by resulted in 1 dead ship. This isnt the case anymore.

Eldar are in a far better spot than they used to be. They still need alot of work but im confident that Tindalos will eventually get it all squared away.

He even said that he liked the pulsar change because it didnt glass ships immediately anymore and he finally has got a challenge and can enjoy playing the eldar without it being easy mode.

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Postby Mav » 10 June 2016, 19:30

MYNAME? wrote:I played a really good eldar player today.

It was a constant back in forth. I lost ships he lost ships.

Mind You i was playing with 1 Carnage and 4 Hellbringers and i gave the guy a run for his money.

I killed his Void stalker but eventually i
lost the match because my last hellbringer was beat up. But it went all the way down too both of our ships only having less than 100 hull points left had my hellbringer cloaked in time maybe i could have won but it was a very fun battle. I wasnt on a timer anymore like it used to be when you went into a eldar game where you had to kill the eldar faster than he was killin you and every eldar fly by resulted in 1 dead ship. This isnt the case anymore.

Eldar are in a far better spot than they used to be. They still need alot of work but im confident that Tindalos will eventually get it all squared away.

He even said that he liked the pulsar change because it didnt glass ships immediately anymore and he finally has got a challenge and can enjoy playing the eldar without it being easy mode.


Being the eldar in question I totally dig the praise you shower. I'd like to write somethin nice and uplifting but everythin I can think off sounds soooo gay I won't
I have no idea if a carnage and hellbringers are good vs eldars but Chaos are atm are the hardest faction to play against as Eldar and I hope more ppl will actually learn how to play this game instead of flaming me >>

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Postby MYNAME? » 10 June 2016, 21:02

Mav wrote:
MYNAME? wrote:I played a really good eldar player today.

It was a constant back in forth. I lost ships he lost ships.

Mind You i was playing with 1 Carnage and 4 Hellbringers and i gave the guy a run for his money.

I killed his Void stalker but eventually i
lost the match because my last hellbringer was beat up. But it went all the way down too both of our ships only having less than 100 hull points left had my hellbringer cloaked in time maybe i could have won but it was a very fun battle. I wasnt on a timer anymore like it used to be when you went into a eldar game where you had to kill the eldar faster than he was killin you and every eldar fly by resulted in 1 dead ship. This isnt the case anymore.

Eldar are in a far better spot than they used to be. They still need alot of work but im confident that Tindalos will eventually get it all squared away.

He even said that he liked the pulsar change because it didnt glass ships immediately anymore and he finally has got a challenge and can enjoy playing the eldar without it being easy mode.


Being the eldar in question I totally dig the praise you shower. I'd like to write somethin nice and uplifting but everythin I can think off sounds soooo gay I won't
I have no idea if a carnage and hellbringers are good vs eldars but Chaos are atm are the hardest faction to play against as Eldar and I hope more ppl will actually learn how to play this game instead of flaming me >>


I think the reason why chaos has an easier time vs eldar is because of the upgrades they can have. My 1 x cruiser and 4x LC are set up for stealth. Camo is useful I can pretty much run on cloak the entire game. An eldar player will have a harder time coordinating attack runs that arent risky and cant pick my cruisers off so easily. I essentially do the same thing eldar is doing. Fight on my terms. I dont chase eldar I attack when i know I can hit them good.

My carnage and 2 escorts are my decoys while my 4 stealth hellbringers are my damage dealers and suprise attackers. I lurk around wait for the eldar to revail themselves while my hellbringers are coming from a completely different angle Its a viable strat and has helped me deal with eldar.

It will take eldar players some time to get used to the new upgrades and tweakin their fleets.

But this change was good (it is by no means perfect and eldar need some improvements for their engagement mode. Prow and broadside engagements are just not optimal imo) and now we can go toe to toe with eldar Voidstalker builds without being decimated outright.

Eldar would be close to perfect if they could tweak prow engagement to allow them to keep moving and not stop at selected 3k 6k 9 k ranges. Rather than stop automatically turn to an angle to avoid direct collision with a ship.

I think imperials will stand a better chance vs eldar at cruiser and battle cruiser level. Ships like the overlord mars, tyrants and dominators with a minimum of 2 widow maker scouts will prove valueable to negate eldar stealthing. While the 9- 12 k macros go to work.

Oh just got your message man. Sure we can 1 v 1 again or 2 v 2.

Your setup is evil btw and next time I will make sure im better on my timings on attack runs as well as using the recon beacon a little better. With the setup I got timing is very important. I also think I need to switch a skill or 2 so I can maybe whoop yer ass haha.

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Postby Demoulius » 10 June 2016, 23:16

Hahaha cool read :mrgreen:

Yea I run a stealth fleet with my Chaos as well. Its good fun and the suprise attack you can pull off with them is really nasty.

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Postby RedDevilCG » 11 June 2016, 01:02

Is the damage from your Hellbringers mostly from bombers? They don't seem to be great macro cannon units.

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Postby MYNAME? » 11 June 2016, 01:09

Demoulius wrote:Hahaha cool read :mrgreen:

Yea I run a stealth fleet with my Chaos as well. Its good fun and the suprise attack you can pull off with them is really nasty.


Stealth fleet synergizes with alot of chaos play styles but I think stealth carriers are the most evil. That damage burst on a lonely unsuspected ship can be scary

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Postby MYNAME? » 11 June 2016, 01:27

RedDevilCG wrote:Is the damage from your Hellbringers mostly from bombers? They don't seem to be great macro cannon units.


My hellbringers damage output is fairly mixed. Macros, Bombers, 3+ Lightning strike. My bombers and lightning strikes do periodic bursts of damage. ( My DPS is at its highest as eldar approach not when they are kiting) Hellbringer heavy macros turrets are good enough to use against vs eldar. I use targeting matrix to improve their accuracy and if you have 4 hellbringers with a total of 8, 12 k range and 270 degree coverage heavy macro turrets they are quite useful vs eldar. Its all about the weight of fire, constant bombing runs and continues Lightning strikes that chip away at the eldar cruisers. It all adds up you know and assures you that your dps remains stable because you cant fully rely on bombers to win you the game to me they are just the icing on the cake.

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Postby RedDevilCG » 11 June 2016, 02:36

So MoK, additional telepotarium, macro aim, macro range, squadron cool down, and what else is your build?

I normally just ignored weapon upgrades and did squadron cool down, MoK, telepotarium, and the rest mobility/durability upgrades. They would end up as carrier harassers, with additional uses as objective holders (data) or runners (assassination). I usually had better success using other ships vs. Eldar

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Postby MYNAME? » 11 June 2016, 03:14

RedDevilCG wrote:So MoK, additional telepotarium, macro aim, macro range, squadron cool down, and what else is your build?

I normally just ignored weapon upgrades and did squadron cool down, MoK, telepotarium, and the rest mobility/durability upgrades. They would end up as carrier harassers, with additional uses as objective holders (data) or runners (assassination). I usually had better success using other ships vs. Eldar


No dont do macro range upgrade 9k is the sweet spot.

2 moK 2 moS hellbringers

Perks for all of these

Auto refuel
Target matrix
Added teleportariums
Camo
Emmision dessipators

Skills

Gonna be going with a mix of Supercharched shields beacons and augur disruptor.

Those are pretty much my specialist ships and they work in other missions as well.

In data missions I usually run with 1 despoiler (not the flag ship) 3 hell bringers as defender or 1 carnage 4 hellbringers on a 700 point game as attacker. Depends on the mission but I got all bases pretty much covered to allow me to win quite reliably.

I probably would have more success as well using other ships but due too limited ship slots I have to settle with using 1 carnage 4 hellbringers as my speshulist ships for missions and to deal with eldar. The results are good enough for me to keep it that way. My 2 Acherons and 2 devistations are built to mess up the Orks, Imperials and other chaos fleets on clash.

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Postby Zeblasky » 11 June 2016, 13:06

A little advice to everyone - beacons are the best thing ever against any eldar. Also good vs Tzeench chaos. Also nice for a spotting in a gas cloud. Never leave home without them. I prefer to have at least 2, and it's almost always better to take a beacon instead of a probe.


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