Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

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Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Postby StarSauron » 23 May 2016, 17:45

Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Savage Gunship does really make fun to use him vs any other orc faction or Empire.
Prow Pulsar Hellebore and Hemlock can be in hand of good players a real experience.

All other seem just not to have a fire-power that can or could endanger any bigger ship.

So what do you think ? Should the factions get more different and powerful escort ships ?

Like lances escort for chaos.
Zzap gun escort for Orcs ?

Yes we have to "keep" the lore in mind, but maybe than could make the game better ?

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Re: Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Postby Ashardalon » 23 May 2016, 18:25

a fireship for chaos would be cool
a civillian ship captured filled with explosions, upgradded with a bigger boost in a orky way and boom
but honestly escorts seem powerful enough to me, they might just be an annoiance but they usually seem like a significant annoiance + i dont mind orks and eldar strength being in their escorts wile chaos seems more in the midground of cruisers and imps prefer the biggest guns, the races cant all be good at everything

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Re: Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Postby Rolepgeek » 23 May 2016, 19:34

Escorts are best as support, and can only really pose a threat to larger ships in numbers, and when they can use their superior maneuverability against them. Savages are currently a bit too powerful, particularly for their cost, in my estimation, to be honest. Nothing should be 'spam to win'. Not saying it's an auto-win, but you can get three of them for a Heavy Kannon Basha, and they'll do quite a bit more damage, all focused on one target, if you aren't getting good chances to ram. Upgrades and whatnot can help with this, but still.

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Re: Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Postby Bludfist » 23 May 2016, 20:31

savages are exactly like they are in TT though? And they fit exactly like how it should be for orks, as lots of cheap units that are strong in close combat.

Furthermore its not spam to win, mass escorts are a double edged sword for orks due to their poor morals it increases the chance that ships will mutiny from escort deaths
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Postby MYNAME? » 23 May 2016, 21:11

Ork and eldar have hard hitting escorts imperials escorts are quite formiddable and they have the best scout escort in the game. Chaos escorts are hands down the weakest of all except for the iconoclast which you just bring 1 of that acts as a scout and gives you free IDs and as a last resort acts like a guided torpedo.

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Re: Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Postby StarSauron » 25 May 2016, 20:43

Has anyone any idea if there were in lore good Escort ships ?

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Re: Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Postby Beernchips » 25 May 2016, 20:57

SM specific escorts were some of the best of TT.

I don t thing escorts should be buffed but for many of them their cost should be reduced. Except for Eldars because their escorts were the best in TT, you should be able to take 3 ecorts or 1 LC for almost same price currently its more 2 escorts for 1 LC
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Re: Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Postby CALiGeR190 » 25 May 2016, 21:01

Eldar Escorts are always gamer for thier lethality, a few Chaos escorts are considered flat out better than thier loyal counterparts in the lore (the Idolator having a full battery of 5 standard lances on its prow in the lore). And Ork escorts are also famed for being deadly. The IN escort thing is just that they are disposable cannon fodder that are very tough for thier weight class.

The game doesn't really accurately portray most of the escorts very well.
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Re: Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Postby MiniCLoud » 25 May 2016, 21:26

The escorts are fine, but they could use a feature to make them more appealing.
First thing is, you will most of the time prefer having as most ships as you can, and the escorts are only here to fill the points.
Second, more than the minimal escorts is only used to be used as spam to counter Eldars, or because the given escort is OP, otherwise, they aren't really worth taking.

A solution would be for example :
- make escorts cheaper (half cheaper ? a third cheaper ?)
- make it so you can only take a few escorts max (1 ? 2 ?) per line ships in your fleet.

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Re: Can escort ships be by all Factions just better ?

Postby Beernchips » 25 May 2016, 21:46

In the lore, Escorts were also often used as support ships for line ships covering them from enemy fire.
When you read lore of the Gothic war, it is often said that "this ship was crippled and retreated under cover of his escorts".
I think it could be a good buff if escorts within a given range of a line ship could "attract" a part of enemy shots. Today with the line of fires and the small length of escorts inr egards to line ships, it is really hard to put escorts in a position it can block the shots fired at a capital ship
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