Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby CALiGeR190 » 23 June 2016, 17:22

Ahzek Ahriman wrote:But yeah, I'd also love to see a more calculated comparison for lulz :D
Though it would be more like McKenna vs Dauntless with its void shielding off.

Not quite.
A Dauntless is 4K long. It can, with relative ease, surpress an entire system if not challenged by another capital ship. A McKenna is not a Capital ship by 40K standards, it's an escort, so there is very little chance of the McKenna getting the better of the larger, faster, warship.
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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby Ahzek Ahriman » 23 June 2016, 17:48

CALiGeR190 wrote:
Ahzek Ahriman wrote:But yeah, I'd also love to see a more calculated comparison for lulz :D
Though it would be more like McKenna vs Dauntless with its void shielding off.

Not quite.
A Dauntless is 4K long. It can, with relative ease, surpress an entire system if not challenged by another capital ship. A McKenna is not a Capital ship by 40K standards, it's an escort, so there is very little chance of the McKenna getting the better of the larger, faster, warship.


I thought between Dauntless and just a mere escort, but I wondered if escort wouldn't have actually too small firepower. May be wrong though and I considered just that, so I'll agree with you here.
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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby Rolepgeek » 27 June 2016, 00:14

It's a well-established fact that 40k is over-the-top compared to Star Wars, and literally everything else. That's the entire point of the genre. Go big, so big that nothing actually makes sense or is really consistent anymore, or go die.

Now compare The Culture to The Imperium and see who wins.

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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby Cryhavok » 27 June 2016, 17:35

How about this: Would a cyclonic torpedo have the same effect on the death star as it does on a planet?
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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby Formosa » 20 July 2016, 22:16

40k may be OP, but Trek would win out with just one race, the borg.

In a straight up 1vs1 fight, the borg would lose horribly, at first, I can imagine their ships getting totally screwed up, even with the adaption, however, they would learn from this and not engage head on again, they would easily find a small imperial world (so only a few hundred million pop) assimilate it, move on, I can see them leading small parties to hive worlds and systematically taking over, they far outstrip the imperium in terms of nano tech and computer tech, couple of centuries later and the borg are a major threat to the imperium, all they need is a few techpriests or god forbid an archmagos and its game over for the imperium, as they would have adapted to all the imperial tech, likely assimilated a few marines by this point (if its even possible), have imperial ships with imperial grade borg weapons, now imagine they get a hold of an ork, with all that genetic memory, an elder, hell... possibly even necrons, although that's a stretch.

Either way, given a minute amount of time (couple of hundred years), the borg would be a major player.

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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby ApostleOfExcess » 21 July 2016, 02:54

Formosa wrote:40k may be OP, but Trek would win out with just one race, the borg.

In a straight up 1vs1 fight, the borg would lose horribly, at first, I can imagine their ships getting totally screwed up, even with the adaption, however, they would learn from this and not engage head on again, they would easily find a small imperial world (so only a few hundred million pop) assimilate it, move on, I can see them leading small parties to hive worlds and systematically taking over, they far outstrip the imperium in terms of nano tech and computer tech, couple of centuries later and the borg are a major threat to the imperium, all they need is a few techpriests or god forbid an archmagos and its game over for the imperium, as they would have adapted to all the imperial tech, likely assimilated a few marines by this point (if its even possible), have imperial ships with imperial grade borg weapons, now imagine they get a hold of an ork, with all that genetic memory, an elder, hell... possibly even necrons, although that's a stretch.

Either way, given a minute amount of time (couple of hundred years), the borg would be a major player.

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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby Formosa » 21 July 2016, 17:20

ApostleOfExcess wrote:
Formosa wrote:40k may be OP, but Trek would win out with just one race, the borg.

In a straight up 1vs1 fight, the borg would lose horribly, at first, I can imagine their ships getting totally screwed up, even with the adaption, however, they would learn from this and not engage head on again, they would easily find a small imperial world (so only a few hundred million pop) assimilate it, move on, I can see them leading small parties to hive worlds and systematically taking over, they far outstrip the imperium in terms of nano tech and computer tech, couple of centuries later and the borg are a major threat to the imperium, all they need is a few techpriests or god forbid an archmagos and its game over for the imperium, as they would have adapted to all the imperial tech, likely assimilated a few marines by this point (if its even possible), have imperial ships with imperial grade borg weapons, now imagine they get a hold of an ork, with all that genetic memory, an elder, hell... possibly even necrons, although that's a stretch.

Either way, given a minute amount of time (couple of hundred years), the borg would be a major player.

Chaos can corrupt machine-spirits.

Borg consciousness goes Chaos. Borg lose.



Imperial, Eldar, Necron, even orks, any race that has anti psyker tech (which the borg already has), then the borg will have it too, they will simply shield all of there troops (something the borg can do and do often) and bobs your uncle, chaos is not a threat, also the borg have shown they are capable of just removing corrupt parts of themselves, so they will just suicide any corrupted ships of people, the borg are something no race in 40k can handle once they get the ball rolling, even nids (possibly) can be assimilated, although id imagine they would adapt pretty sharpish, then it would be an eternal arms race of cloned adapted borg and nids.

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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby CALiGeR190 » 21 July 2016, 19:09

Formosa wrote:40k may be OP, but Trek would win out with just one race, the borg.

In a straight up 1vs1 fight, the borg would lose horribly, at first, I can imagine their ships getting totally screwed up, even with the adaption, however, they would learn from this and not engage head on again, they would easily find a small imperial world (so only a few hundred million pop) assimilate it, move on, I can see them leading small parties to hive worlds and systematically taking over, they far outstrip the imperium in terms of nano tech and computer tech, couple of centuries later and the borg are a major threat to the imperium, all they need is a few techpriests or god forbid an archmagos and its game over for the imperium, as they would have adapted to all the imperial tech, likely assimilated a few marines by this point (if its even possible), have imperial ships with imperial grade borg weapons, now imagine they get a hold of an ork, with all that genetic memory, an elder, hell... possibly even necrons, although that's a stretch.

Either way, given a minute amount of time (couple of hundred years), the borg would be a major player.

That's a very interesting deduction...
I surpose it would make the Borg a minor player on the 40K stage with time, with the potential of becoming a greater threat, but there chances of achieving much or a total victory are slim. An Imperial Liberation fleet, or just a large enough IN fleet formation could easily quel a few Borg planets: and that's ignoring what other factions can do.

But yeah, the Borg are certainly a hazard to most 40K factions.
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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby Formosa » 21 July 2016, 23:12

CALiGeR190 wrote:
Formosa wrote:40k may be OP, but Trek would win out with just one race, the borg.

In a straight up 1vs1 fight, the borg would lose horribly, at first, I can imagine their ships getting totally screwed up, even with the adaption, however, they would learn from this and not engage head on again, they would easily find a small imperial world (so only a few hundred million pop) assimilate it, move on, I can see them leading small parties to hive worlds and systematically taking over, they far outstrip the imperium in terms of nano tech and computer tech, couple of centuries later and the borg are a major threat to the imperium, all they need is a few techpriests or god forbid an archmagos and its game over for the imperium, as they would have adapted to all the imperial tech, likely assimilated a few marines by this point (if its even possible), have imperial ships with imperial grade borg weapons, now imagine they get a hold of an ork, with all that genetic memory, an elder, hell... possibly even necrons, although that's a stretch.

Either way, given a minute amount of time (couple of hundred years), the borg would be a major player.

That's a very interesting deduction...
I surpose it would make the Borg a minor player on the 40K stage with time, with the potential of becoming a greater threat, but there chances of achieving much or a total victory are slim. An Imperial Liberation fleet, or just a large enough IN fleet formation could easily quel a few Borg planets: and that's ignoring what other factions can do.

But yeah, the Borg are certainly a hazard to most 40K factions.



I totally agree, problem is borg can assimilate planets at an exponential rate, and the IOM response time is agonisingly slow by trek standard (even though 40k has faster, if unreliable ships) trek also has much better coms, if shorter ranged (borg don't suffer this issue, as its both better ranged and faster than 40k) and don't suffer the "interpretation" issue IOM coms do, so response time is better for the borg, theyd detect the IOM sectors away and just fade before any response could come.. the response that would be decades away at best.

So Borg have better coms, sensors, exponential growth, can take your best tech, adapt it and improve on it.

IOM has, Faster galactic travel, numbers, better tech (in some areas) but this advantage wont last long.

either way, agree or disagree, it would be a good match up!!

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Re: Universal ship comparisons: Intrepid-Class Starship vs Iconoclast Destroyer

Postby CALiGeR190 » 22 July 2016, 14:53

Formosa wrote:I totally agree, problem is borg can assimilate planets at an exponential rate, and the IOM response time is agonisingly slow by trek standard (even though 40k has faster, if unreliable ships) trek also has much better coms, if shorter ranged (borg don't suffer this issue, as its both better ranged and faster than 40k) and don't suffer the "interpretation" issue IOM coms do, so response time is better for the borg, theyd detect the IOM sectors away and just fade before any response could come.. the response that would be decades away at best.

So Borg have better coms, sensors, exponential growth, can take your best tech, adapt it and improve on it.

IOM has, Faster galactic travel, numbers, better tech (in some areas) but this advantage wont last long.

either way, agree or disagree, it would be a good match up!!

In the long run, yes it would, but any direct conflict in the short or mid term would be laughably one-sided if the Imperium treated them as an adequately high threat.
The Imperium may react slowly, but if they want something gone within their own borders, it gets done with relatively high speed. And if the decision to remove the Borg with all haste is unanimous, an Imperial Battlefleet can be down your throat in less than a week with full Titan and IG support. If its in Space Marine territory, even quicker.

And, again, this is ignoring other factions.
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